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How to Ignore People

Postby curt - Moderator » Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:48 pm

If there is anybody whose posts you no longer wish to read, you can put them on "ignore" by declaring them to be a "foe"

Go to user control panel
Pick tab "Friends and Foes"
Click (on left) "manage foes"
Enter or select user name into box and click "submit"
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Re: How to Ignore People

Postby curt » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:00 pm

I just unlocked this topic.

I'd be interested to know if this might be an alternative to asking the SoD sponsors to ban people or to edit objectionable remarks.
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Re: How to Ignore People

Postby TomBillbroughJr » Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:33 pm

I understand the concept and why some people are up-in-arms. However, this seems a little redundant. We all have full control over our eyes, so we could all just ignore people the old fashioned way by... well... ignoring them. I'm not so sure the request for my censorship has anything to do with people being forced to read my most recent posts, it may, however, have a lot to do with people taking issues with my ability to speak my mind about some of the powers that be and their more egregious behavior. My intent is rarely ever to come off as offensive (even at my worst, my language is PG-13 at best), but at the same time, I have never forced my words onto anyone. SOD is a great site and I do not wish to negatively affect the integrity of this forum.
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Re: How to Ignore People

Postby Sheila » Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:45 pm

do you really need a post for this?
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Re: How to Ignore People

Postby C L » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:33 am

Bad idea.

The discussions wouldn't make sense if you had blocked out a poster. Whether or not you agree with them I think it should be public.

How many times have you seen me get into a pissing match with Shawn or SB on certain subjects but agree completely on others. Just because we disagree doesnt mean I don't want to read what they have to say.

If I want to ignore certain posters, I'll just ignore them (flamebaiters and trolls hate that), I still want to see what kind of non-sense they still spew forth.
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Re: How to Ignore People

Postby SBinRockrimmon » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:26 am

While the ignore feature is a great tool, I don't think it is the answer.

I have been a long time member on several other forums that involve my various interests. Most are much larger and more active than this one. I have observed several things that I believe contribute to a successful forum. Most of those things do not happen here. Mostly the personal insults are not tolerated on ANY other forum I am a member of.

On most forums the moderators will edit posts or close threads before things get out of hand. Some will edit posts and put a note on the edited post indicating that it was edited and why. Some just edit the post with no comment given. I prefer to see the comment. When members get out of hand a moderator will typically send them a PM asking or warning them to stop such behavior. If a member continues to be a problem they will usually issue a 'timeout' by banning said member for a period of time (usually a month) and then allow the member to return. If the same problem continues the member is banned permanently. Depending on the severity members may be banned without first receiving a 'timeout'. I believe this to all be necessary in operating a forum to maximize the participation of members.

I am a strong believer in the right to free speech but that holds true in public. This (or any forum) is not public. Someone (Curt, I assume) pays for the bandwidth, so therefore free speech rules do not apply. I believe Curt should look at this PRIVATE forum as an extension of his home, and we are all guests.The same rules would apply here as they would in his home. At any time a guest may be asked or required to leave. Curt can recruit moderators as he sees fit to help look over his 'home' when he cannot.

Lastly I know that Curt wants to keep the spam off this forum, but I think the requirement to provide a phone number and a personal call to join may keep many from signing up. I'm not sure if this step would be necessary if everything was properly moderated.

All just my $0.02 worth. Curt is free to operate his forum any way he sees fit.
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Re: How to Ignore People

Postby JC » Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:02 am

SBin I think we also need a like button, :) I agree with your post
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Re: How to Ignore People

Postby curt » Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:16 am

Thanks for your comments, and for any more that are to come.

While indeed SoD is on my credit card (not very much and far less than my legal bills :-) ), we do operate it as a joint endeavor of 4 people. I think we will be discussing some of these things, and I expect we will seek input, as we always have, before making any changes.

I do appreciate everbody's contributions to the success of SoD.
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Re: How to Ignore People

Postby SBinRockrimmon » Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:47 pm

curt wrote: we do operate it as a joint endeavor of 4 people. I think we will be discussing some of these things, and I expect we will seek input, as we always have, before making any changes.


I actually knew there were other sponsors of SOD. I knew of the 3, I'm not real sure who the 4th is (that is I forget who the 4th is). I made mention to you Curt as you seem to be the most active of the 4.

I think if there were more moderation of this forum it would become more active. If done properly it would be a great way to continue to discuss town issues and ideas, but getting people to participate is key. I think the only way that is going to happen is to start editing threads, closing threads, and banning people as needed.

While I think for the most part I've been pretty civil here I admit there have been a couple occasions that I have fallen into the free-for-all trap and posted something that was borderline. If there was more oversight it would have never gotten to that point. Right now it just seems as if anything goes and the end result is chaos and insults.
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Re: How to Ignore People

Postby TomBillbroughJr » Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:29 pm

So the way to increase participation is by banning members, censoring posts, and closing threads? Maybe we should consider that participation may not be any fault of the moderators, but instead that there is a lack of interest in small-town politics among the majority of our fellow citizens. I too had an issue with giving out my phone number in order to be granted membership, but it may be a necessary evil, given the exclusive nature of this forum (Danville citizens). I think that the moderators are doing a fantastic job, it could just be that the content of this site is uninteresting to most of Danville. Voter turnout could be evident of that.
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Re: How to Ignore People

Postby safety frog » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:07 am

Banning does not see the way. I find most people I talk with from town who do not participate have no clue this exists.
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Re: How to Ignore People

Postby SBinRockrimmon » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:34 am

This was posted in another thread and I commented on part of it there, but believe it fits better in this topic so I'll continue my comments here.

TomBillbroughJr wrote:Curt,
For the sake of consistency, I would like every post edited where I have been called called "arrogant", "immature", "ignorant", and so on. My feelings were extremely hurt and I found it to be very disrespectful. Or am I the only one whose posts will be edited?


While I don't have any issue if the moderators choose to edit such posts, I'd like to point out that on any of the other forums that I frequent calling out a moderator publicly is a big NO-NO. This would get a warning. Most forums you can say anything you wish to the moderators via PM, but publicly questioning their decisions is forbidden. It should be sent to a moderator via PM and addressed in private.

Perhaps the sponsors of SOD decided to make some changes going forward and it would be very time consuming to edit questionable postings from the past 5 years.
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Re: How to Ignore People

Postby SBinRockrimmon » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:48 am

safety frog wrote:Banning does not see the way. I find most people I talk with from town who do not participate have no clue this exists.


I believe it is true that many do not know that SOD exists. I stumbled on it by accident, but there are currently over 100 members and less than 10% of them actively participate. I think there are many more that visit and read the forums without ever signing up. I could be very wrong, but I think there is a far better chance of increasing that participation if people were forced to act civilly and the personal insults were shut down. If it means closing some good discussion because things are starting to get out of hand than so be it. I would suggest the sponsors of SOD visit and read other forums (if they don't already) for a while to see how others do it.

Much like the way any company is run. People need structure and leadership for it to be successful. Without leadership, rules,, and structure, employees would just run wild and the business would fail in a short amount of time. I think the same holds true for a successful forum.

If SOD becomes a nicer place to visit people will tell each other and word will spread that it is a good place to discuss things and get some local information. I think many are turned off by the pissing contests and insults.

As for banning people.....I believe this only should be done as a last resort. One of the New England based forums I frequent has over 15k members and I have only seen a handful banned permanently.

Once again I'd like to state this is all just my $0.02 worth and opinions were asked for in this thread.
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Re: How to Ignore People

Postby TomBillbroughJr » Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:16 pm

Instead of the popular Facebook "poke" button, let's have a speakoutdanville "hug" button, so that everyone will feel cozy and welcome. :roll:

Can't we all just get along? What a joke.

Having a forum that discusses politics on any level is going to get heated and feelings might get hurt. Judging from the National/International section, the comments are not going to be intellectual either. However, that is the nature of the beast and instead of criticizing the way this forum is moderated, perhaps we could lead by example, or we could accept that when people's ideals are challenged, they may get hot under their collars and lash back. There should be no punishment for human nature. Censorship brings us down a very dangerous road and I very much encourage that the moderators do not continue this egregious trend.

Shortly after my own edit upon Curt's request, I received a private message from Sbin, letting me know that I'm a jackass. I would quote him, but seeing as though the moderators are acting as if they moonlight as nuns, it would probably get censored anyway. That, and I am corresponding from my iPhone and quoting text from a different page would require more effort than I am willing to put into this post at this moment. I know I'm a jackass, and I was not offended by Sbin's comment. However, banter between two jackasses is hardly grounds for "Forum Overhaul", and a discontinuation of business as usual.
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Re: How to Ignore People

Postby curt » Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:25 pm

I see parallels between the NH General Court "pedophile pimp" FB posting and a particular posting that was made here in SoD.

In both cases it caused people to say what some were thinking and caused others to think about where we were headed and who is in charge.

I have always said that we moderate here with a light touch, I suppose some would say none at all. I don't think that we will now be moderating with a heavy hand.

I would like to see more people on here, be they posters or lurkers. In particular I would like to see more proactive participation from members of town boards and committees. We have members or alternates of the selectmen, planning board and conservation commission, and several other elected town officials, but it is a rare occasion that any of them use SoD to inform people of what is going on in town government. Usually it falls to me to copy stuff from minutes or now to watch BOS videos. SoD would be a more compelling read if more people "in the know" would post items for discussion on a more timely basis than the publication of minutes 10 - 30 days later.

It was clear from the discussion of trash carts at the most recent BOS meeting that 3 of the 5 of the selectmen had totally missed the discussion here on SoD. I'd like to challenge the way they ignore all opinions except those made directly to them at their meetings (write them a letter and you will get no more response than if you post on SoD, and it's been that way for the 30 years that I have been a taxpayer in this town), but it is hard to make the case if they come in here and find themselves described as "miserable b..." or "s.....heads."

I want to make it clear that we do not want any sort of orthodoxy here. Say what you want about TBJr, he did challenge Shawn on library stuff with facts and figures, and that was a good thing. He has contributed a different POV on other topics as well.

I hope we will hear from more people on this topic. If you are a member but do not post why is that? Is it that you feel that insults might be thrown your way, or you just don't want to get in the middle of personal arguments between other members? If you are not a member, is it because you don't want to go to the bother or disclosure of information that we require?

If you don't feel comfortable posting, please send a PM or email me curt.springer@alum.dartmouth.org or us webmaster@speakoutdanville.org We will keep all comments confidential. Or call my cell 603-702-3111.

The main reason we started verifying members not long after we started was that a town official signed up using his name, and then we said gee, what if somebody were to sign up using the name of a public official, but who was not actually that official? Another reason was that when we had open registration we had to spend some time deleting spam users selling viagra and stuff.

One option would be to allow auto-registration but with moderator approval. Perhaps we could follow up with further inquiries for people who choose user names that correspond to known people.

Regarding our penetration into the community, it has occurred to me that some time we might want to do a mailing. Probably the best time would be before town meeting when we are full of local content that you won't find elsewhere.
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