Does Timberlane have a trust issue?

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Re: Does Timberlane have a trust issue?

Postby dmh » Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:11 pm

Rob C wrote:The more expensive tablets would stay in school. 6 year olds would not be taking them home.

HS students would take them home, there would be an insurance plan and they would be nook type devices that are typically the cost of a textbook, around $100.



fYi, my kids have had the option to purchase e-texts for college classes. For the equivalence of 5+ years of college classes, they have gotten an e-text once, for a survey general education course. The kids choose to get old fashion textbooks for all their classes (their classes are mostly science and math). They do not feel ebooks would be easy to study from.

I've talked to a few people who have taken more liberal art type classes where a few books might be read. They did not use ebooks as it is hard to turn to the appropriate page when the teacher asks.
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Re: Does Timberlane have a trust issue?

Postby LM » Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:10 am

Rob C wrote:
Resident wrote:
Rob C wrote:Was this the HS?
Were these text books or novels?
Was this required reading?

Just trying to get more info.

Yes, it was the HS.
Both
Yes, required reading.

Thank you Resident.

Is there anyone else who has had the same experience as Resident and dmh? Please let me know. It is unacceptable to me that a student would be required to purchase books for a public education.


My HS kids have had to buy required reading books...not textbooks, but other books that were required. Not a lot of money, a few dollars here and there, but it adds up when you have multiple kids in the schools.
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Re: Does Timberlane have a trust issue?

Postby SBinRockrimmon » Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:34 am

dmh wrote:fYi, my kids have had the option to purchase e-texts for college classes. For the equivalence of 5+ years of college classes, they have gotten an e-text once, for a survey general education course. The kids choose to get old fashion textbooks for all their classes (their classes are mostly science and math). They do not feel ebooks would be easy to study from.

I've talked to a few people who have taken more liberal art type classes where a few books might be read. They did not use ebooks as it is hard to turn to the appropriate page when the teacher asks.


I can see this happen currently. Much of business has gone to electronic format. I prefer a print copy to reading and sifting through a pdf file (and I get a lot of them). A 300 page pdf can be very difficult to weed through especially when you need to reference different sections. As time passes people will become more and more comfortable with the electronic format (and improvements will be made). As generations pass using textbooks will feel uncomfortable. The technology isn't going away, so I think that children should be exposed and learn how to use it proficiently.

Granted I don't have a nook type device, but I would think that navigating to the correct page would be a very simple task.
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Re: Does Timberlane have a trust issue?

Postby shawn_oneil » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:12 pm

Our kids will be much more proficient using tablets, pdfs, and other electronic material than we are today. It doesn't happen today but imaging a table that you can interact with verbally. Open up Calculus book and turn to page 245, or open up Geometry book and find Pythagorean theorem. The benefits of having all of your books with you at all times, less of a load in the book bag, production and distribution cost is vastly reduced (typesetting, book production at a fixed amount, transportation, warehousing, etc.), updates to books (ie to correct all those mistakes I know all of us have found over our years of schooling) can be easily done, and probably a couple of more benefits that you can think of yourselves. We are the transition generation. The next will consider this the norm.

Sorry about this being on the 'Trust thread' but want to highlight some of the benefits.

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Re: Does Timberlane have a trust issue?

Postby LM » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:50 pm

dmh wrote:Trust issue?

Major construction projects cost money. Rob, do you or our other town representative know: How many houses in Danville were foreclosed on last year? Increase or decrease from previous year? How many more families did the town help at Christmas this year? How many more people are going to the town food pantry? What is the unemployment rate? Is there an increase in the unpaid taxes in town? Are there more families who are unable to pay their taxes? Do your counterparts from the other 4 towns know the answers to these questions? Do they care?


here is a link that I found regarding the foreclosure trends...
http://nhshortsalecenter.com/news-that- ... the-storm/
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Re: Does Timberlane have a trust issue?

Postby Rob C » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:54 pm

Resident wrote:
Rob C wrote:Was this the HS?
Were these text books or novels?
Was this required reading?

Just trying to get more info.

Yes, it was the HS.
Both
Yes, required reading.

I spoke with the HS and I'm told students should not be paying for books. They are looking further into this.

If you are asked to pay for books at the HS please let me know. This should not be happening.
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Re: Does Timberlane have a trust issue?

Postby dmh » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:45 pm

Apparently this policy has changed.
The whole HS is reading Dear Teen Me,
See http://www.timberlanehs.com/DOCS/SummerReading.pdf.

I am not aware of any students bring the book home, so the school must figure the parents will buy it.

Does anyone know what the purpose of reading this book is?
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Re: Does Timberlane have a trust issue?

Postby safety frog » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:23 am

We purchased Book 1 as all high school students were asked to read it. It is primarily a bunch of women who regret what they did or did not do as children. Not sure how that helps a kid with learning about math, science, history, or technology so they succeed at a job, vocation or college.

If someone wants our copy in a few weeks we can re-compost recycle the book.

Where will this show up in the grades in September?
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Re: Does Timberlane have a trust issue?

Postby Tigger4 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:04 am

The book "Dear Teen Me" is not just women writing but men too. Some of the letters they write to themselves address issues they had in high school and to encourage themselves not to worry things do get better. It isn't just about regrets. Some letters are about how things that have happened in high school that seemed devastating at that time really don't matter later in life. Some talk about where they are now compared to the issues they dealt with during their school years. I have read some of the book but not all yet. Some of the letters I read were good and I imagine some kids will be able to relate to some of the issues that they wrote about. I don't think it was meant to help with the academic piece in high school but to help with all the issues/drama that comes up for many kids during their high school years. Unfortunately, school is not just about academics for teenagers. Many students are sidetracked by issues like: boys, bullies, popularity, extra curricular activities (not always the good kind), etc...

It was my understanding students had the option of checking it out of the school library for the summer prior to the end of school. I know some kids that did just that.
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Re: Does Timberlane have a trust issue?

Postby dmh » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:41 pm

Tigger4 wrote:The book "Dear Teen Me" is not just women writing but men too. Some of the letters they write to themselves address issues they had in high school and to encourage themselves not to worry things do get better. It isn't just about regrets. Some letters are about how things that have happened in high school that seemed devastating at that time really don't matter later in life. Some talk about where they are now compared to the issues they dealt with during their school years. I have read some of the book but not all yet. Some of the letters I read were good and I imagine some kids will be able to relate to some of the issues that they wrote about. I don't think it was meant to help with the academic piece in high school but to help with all the issues/drama that comes up for many kids during their high school years. Unfortunately, school is not just about academics for teenagers. Many students are sidetracked by issues like: boys, bullies, popularity, extra curricular activities (not always the good kind), etc...

It was my understanding students had the option of checking it out of the school library for the summer prior to the end of school. I know some kids that did just that.



Do they have 1200 books for all students? If they don't then how did the school expect all students to have access to the book without someone purchasing it. In the past they school has indicated that students do not have to purchase books.

Wonder if there is a letter in there that addresses the issue of making someone read this book who does not want too, and wasting hours of their life on it, especially when their peers at other schools are reading classics for summer reading at an appopriate grade level.

I've read a few of the letters, 15 minutes was my tolerance level.

Like SF asked how is this going to be used in the classroom, the writing is poor so they can't use it as an example of good writing, the vocabulary is Middle school, no new words to be learned for SAT or college, and I don't want an untrained person in the classroom dealing with psychological areas.
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Re: Does Timberlane have a trust issue?

Postby Tigger4 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:44 pm

dmh wrote:
Do they have 1200 books for all students? If they don't then how did the school expect all students to have access to the book without someone purchasing it. In the past they school has indicated that students do not have to purchase books.

Wonder if there is a letter in there that addresses the issue of making someone read this book who does not want too, and wasting hours of their life on it, especially when their peers at other schools are reading classics for summer reading at an appopriate grade level.

I've read a few of the letters, 15 minutes was my tolerance level.

Like SF asked how is this going to be used in the classroom, the writing is poor so they can't use it as an example of good writing, the vocabulary is Middle school, no new words to be learned for SAT or college, and I don't want an untrained person in the classroom dealing with psychological areas.


Sorry I don't know if 1200 books were purchased. I was merely letting people know that students were able to check it out at the school according to a few kids I spoke with. I agree with you, if the school requires it then they should provide it.

You will never find a book that every kid wants to read. There will always be kids and parents that believe some of the books assigned are a waste of time. Just a fact of life. I have heard kids and parents (friends) complain about assigned reading in English.

I guess we are looking at this differently. I don't think anyone is trying to deal with psychological issues but there are issues kids face in school that are not academic but are very important to some teenagers. That doesn't mean it is something that needs to be treated by a professional. That is something I don't think will ever change and unfortunately some parents expect the school to take care of it. Most teenagers do not turn off their feelings just because they are at school.

I look at this book as letting kids know they are not alone in how they feel or what they may be going through. That some of the issues they may face have happened to others. Kids don't always want to believe their parents might have actually gone through some of the same things. I think this book might line up more with the Health and Wellness courses, which is part of the curriculum, rather than Math, Science, English, History, etc...I don't know if I like the book much either, but I think I can see both sides of the coin here.

I am not trying to start a debate. I agree with some of what you say as well as what others have said, but having a healthy outlook on life will help a person focus better which will increase learning. I know when I am frustrated, mad, or feeling overwhelmed I am not going to listen, study or learn the same as when I am in a good mood. Just trying to keep an open mind.... :|
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Re: Does Timberlane have a trust issue?

Postby dmh » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:27 am

A few years ago, parents on this board were told that the school does not require parents to purchase books, this was not true then and is not true now.

Yes this book has lots of psychological topics, what is the training of the person who would be discussing this? Do they have training to deal with issues that might occur while discussing the issues. They don't have to have a degree in psych, but there are teachers who I would not want discussing these topics with my troubled teen. I've had teachers for minor issues tell my kids to "go along with the parent to humor them". Does my child have to sit in the classroom if they have a difference of values than the teachers or students, or if they are uncomfortable? This whole thing can be much more damaging than the help it might provide to a few. A very wise teacher once told me they would not deal with issues like this as it deal with Morals and they get their morals from the bible and their church. How is the classroom teacher and students going to treat the child that invokes the bible or church in their decision making? How likely is anything got leave the classroom a child says.

Seems like the school would be better served not opening this can of worms. Our students time would be better used teaching them how to write a thesis, or paragraph, complete sentences, spelling.


I haven't found many areas schools who have such psychological topics for summer reading. Most are doing the classics or new classics. Since the age for this is 12 and up and most of the classics are at a higher reading level, perhaps this one has to been choosen due to the reading level of the students being so low. C
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Re: Does Timberlane have a trust issue?

Postby Tigger4 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:47 am

Again I agree with you and others on many of the statements. Maybe I am just being naive about this subject but I really don't think they are going to analyze anyone in the classroom or offer psychological advice. Maybe I am not explaining my point of view clearly enough but I think you are reading too much into what I am saying.

Most teenagers go through things as they grow that are just part of growing up not something that needs professional intervention. (Some teens may need professional intervention but I am not talking about them. I am just talking about teens in general.) I think this book merely lets some teens know they are not alone in the situations they may encounter in their high school years. I am not saying this is a good book to read, but you will never get all students and parents to agree on any book. This book may actually have a positive impact on some students. Since not all students are the same socially or academically I don't see the harm in letting kids know that others may have experience similar issues when they were in school and it all worked out in the long run.

I guess if I was on the same page as you then they might as well get rid of the health and wellness programs. Why don't they get rid of all athletic programs too since that does not prepare them for SAT's, Math, Science, History or English in college. Those programs are only geared toward those that are looking for an athletic scholarship or career. Hardly needed in the academic world right? I may be misunderstanding your point but that is the way it comes across. I didn't mean for this to turn into a debate so I am done now. I guess we just have to agree to disagree on this part of the discussion. You are entitled to your opinion and I to mine. :D
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Re: Does Timberlane have a trust issue?

Postby dmh » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:10 pm

I see your point and agree you have very valid points. I agree there is more to school than just the academics. I'd rather have my kid out hiking a mountain or doing community service than reading this book. They would get more out of it.

My guess is most teachers are going to take the writing part of what the kids did and acknowledge they were done. Perhaps, offer an anyone have any questions and then move on, unless they are forced to do more by the administration.

FWIW, Timberlane graduate looked at the book, laughed and said what nonsense. The saddest part is our best and brightest students will probably not settle in this community and put their kids in our schools.

The original purpose of updating the thread was that the whole school is reading this and with approx 1200 students, I don't think the school purchased books for everyone. In the past they said they did, even though many parents indicated there were books they purchased for classes their kids took. Parents with book receipts were told they did not purchase books. Atleast with the second book the student needs to read, it can be a book already in the house, or from the library not a book that the family would not normally purchase.

The books the kids signed out of the library -- were they supposed to return so other students could utilize? I wonder how many they had and if more students requested them, would they purchase more? I wonder if there are kids who actually do their summer work prior to the last few days. I think APUSH does it before as they have assigned due dates in July if I remember correctly. They also have to read an additonal book. In our case, my student had the option of reading about 15 different books which were already in our house when they had that assignment. I think APWORLD has also had assignments due in June/July. They read an additional book too. This book we did not have however after purchasing it, other members of the family did read it.
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Re: Does Timberlane have a trust issue?

Postby Rob C » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:08 am

I'm told there are plenty at the HS. Call the HS if you need a copy.

dmh, what other HSs have you researched and what, exactly, are they reading?
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