Carter again cites racism as factor in Obama's treatment

[curt]

radical fringe element

intensely demonstrated animosity

I don't think Jimmy Carter or other commentators intended to target most people who oppose Obama, just a few.

[shawn_oneil]

It appears you can not disagree with this administration without being considered a racist.

I think this is crap. I don't think anyone has come close to stating this, if I'm wrong show me.

In fact, Obama has said all along he invites dissent because honest debate is what makes us stronger.

I know many people that disagree with this President who are NOT racists.

Wilson's son disputes Carter's claim of racism

ATLANTA – U.S. Rep. Joe Wilson's oldest son defended his father against a claim by former President Jimmy Carter that the congressman's outburst during a speech by President Barack Obama was "based on racism."
Responding to an audience question at a town hall at his presidential center in Atlanta, Carter said Tuesday that Wilson's outburst was also rooted in fears of a black president.

Now you show me a racist remark that Mr. Wilson made. I agree that his outburst was not in good taste, but that is a huge leap to accuse a man of being a racist.

It is not crap!

[shawn_oneil]

What I meant is that those calling people who disagree with the President racist, or saying they disagree with the President soley because they are racists...

I don't believe anyone is saying this. Who is?

Former President Jimmy Carter. See my post above

I think what we're seeing here is a classic over reaction to an under reaction.

I don't think it is an over reaction. I think it is reality. We are talking about issues that will effect us for generations to come. I wonder if a comment like you just made would be acceptable to you during the GWB era. Go ponder that one for a while!

The Jessee Jackson/Al Sharptons of the world have used the race card for some time.

They use it all the time. That is what they represent.

[Rob C]

An overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African-American.

This is the quote I find regarding Jimmy Carter and his comment about race. It doesn't even come close to suggesting what you said:

It appears you can not disagree with this administration without being considered a racist.

Therefore, crap.

I don't think it is an over reaction. I think it is reality. We are talking about issues that will effect us for generations to come.

My comment about the over reaction was regarding racism not healthcare.

What I meant is that those calling people who disagree with the President racist, or saying they disagree with the President soley because they are racists...

I don't believe anyone is saying this. Who is?

Former President Jimmy Carter. See my post above

Actually, he didn't even come close to saying what you and safety frog imply. I think Curt stated it very succinctly.

radical fringe element

intensely demonstrated animosity

I don't think Jimmy Carter or other commentators intended to target most people who oppose Obama, just a few.

Actually I take that back, Curt gave you some slack by stating "most" when your only qualifier is "disagree" implying all who disagree are racist.

[SBinRockrimmon]

Shawn,

Do you ever ask yourself if it is worth debating with someone who clearly thinks our current leader is the chosen one? I'm thinking you might have better luck teaching your dog how to write poetry.

[shawn_oneil]

An overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African-American.

This is the quote I find regarding Jimmy Carter and his comment about race. It doesn't even come close to suggesting what you said:

It appears you can not disagree with this administration without being considered a racist.

Therefore, crap.

ATLANTA – U.S. Rep. Joe Wilson's oldest son defended his father against a claim by former President Jimmy Carter that the congressman's outburst during a speech by President Barack Obama was "based on racism."
Responding to an audience question at a town hall at his presidential center in Atlanta, Carter said Tuesday that Wilson's outburst was also rooted in fears of a black president.

Rob,
What part of the above quote by the AP do you not comprehend?
As I said previously, show me where Mr. Wilson made any racist comments? Please enlighten me.
Shawn

[Rob C]

ATLANTA – U.S. Rep. Joe Wilson's oldest son defended his father against a claim by former President Jimmy Carter that the congressman's outburst during a speech by President Barack Obama was "based on racism."
Responding to an audience question at a town hall at his presidential center in Atlanta, Carter said Tuesday that Wilson's outburst was also rooted in fears of a black president.

Rob,
What part of the above quote by the AP do you not comprehend?
As I said previously, show me where Mr. Wilson made any racist comments? Please enlighten me.
Shawn

I'm not disputing whether or not Carter said Wilson's comment was based in racism. I don't think calling the President a liar makes him a racist.

Where I part ways with you is your comment that all those that disagree with this administration are being portrayed as racists. That simply is not true.

In your own words.

It appears you can not disagree with this administration without being considered a racist.

Crap.

[shawn_oneil]

Shawn,

Do you ever ask yourself if it is worth debating with someone who clearly thinks our current leader is the chosen one? I'm thinking you might have better luck teaching your dog how to write poetry.

Well Obama was right with respect to Kanye West when he called him a "Jackass". Its a start.

[shawn_oneil]

In your own words.

It appears you can not disagree with this administration without being considered a racist.

Crap.

Mr. Wilson being labeled a racist by a former president of the same political party as the sitting president when in fact Mr. Wilson is not a racist (which you and I now agree he is not a racist) but merely expressing his opinion of dissent at a time that was not the best time/place to exercise his first amendment right is ok?

Has the Obama administration condemned Carter's remark relative to Mr. Wilson being labeled a racist?
Has Ms. Nancy Pelosi condemned Carter's remark relative to Mr. Wilson being labeled a racist?

absence of a comment make the heart grow fonder!!


Shawn

[Rob C]

...when in fact Mr. Wilson is not a racist (which you and I now agree he is not a racist)

I didn't say that. I have no idea if he is a racist.

...but merely expressing his opinion of dissent at a time that was not the best time/place to exercise his first amendment right is ok?

I want to see the full context of the questions and answer from Carter.

Has the Obama administration condemned Carter's remark relative to Mr. Wilson being labeled a racist?
Has Ms. Nancy Pelosi condemned Carter's remark relative to Mr. Wilson being labeled a racist?

I don't believe so but they haven't endorsed them either. I believe that has meaning within the beltway.

As I said before my beef is with people saying the following:

What I meant is that those calling people who disagree with the President racist, or saying they disagree with the President soley because they are racists...

It appears you can not disagree with this administration without being considered a racist.

These statements simply are not true. No one has said or acted in any way that resembles what has been implied here. In fact, I've asked for examples and the only reply has been Carter's comments allegedly about Wilson, hardly all that disagree with this administration. I believe there are 178 Republicans in the House and 40 Republicans in the Senate that don't agree with this Administration on a lot of issues (if not all) and they aren't being called racists (with the exception of the one House member alleged to have been called a racist).

Have Rush, Hannty or Severin been called racist because of their remarks and disagreements with this Administration? I don't believe so.

[shawn_oneil]

...when in fact Mr. Wilson is not a racist (which you and I now agree he is not a racist)

I didn't say that. I have no idea if he is a racist.

So you will not give Mr. Wilson the benefit of doubt that he is not a racist until proven otherwise. Interesting viewpoint.

...but merely expressing his opinion of dissent at a time that was not the best time/place to exercise his first amendment right is ok?

I want to see the full context of the questions and answer from Carter.

Look it up.

Has the Obama administration condemned Carter's remark relative to Mr. Wilson being labeled a racist?
Has Ms. Nancy Pelosi condemned Carter's remark relative to Mr. Wilson being labeled a racist?

I don't believe so but they haven't endorsed them either. I believe that has meaning within the beltway.

Rob, Do you think Obama would endorse such an argument publicly? Absence is bliss.

As I said before my beef is with people saying the following:

What I meant is that those calling people who disagree with the President racist, or saying they disagree with the President soley because they are racists...

It appears you can not disagree with this administration without being considered a racist.

These statements simply are not true. No one has said or acted in any way that resembles what has been implied here. In fact, I've asked for examples and the only reply has been Carter's comments allegedly about Wilson, hardly all that disagree with this administration. I believe there are 178 Republicans in the House and 40 Republicans in the Senate that don't agree with this Administration on a lot of issues (if not all) and they aren't being called racists (with the exception of the one House member alleged to have been called a racist).

Have Rush, Hannty or Severin been called racist because of their remarks and disagreements with this Administration? I don't believe so.

Hardly all? The first prominent Congressmen that takes on this president head-to-head is slapped with racism charges by a former president of the same party. Why should Obama say anything when former president Carter can do all of his dirty work.
I'm done for tonight. We'll have to disagree like usual.


Rob, make sure you rub his belly tonight before you go to bed.

[curt]

If you meet a Republican politician with a southern accent, it's a safe bet that he or his daddy was a Southern Democrat who was against civil rights for blacks.

[shawn_oneil]

If you meet a Republican politician with a southern accent, it's a safe bet that he or his daddy was a Southern Democrat who was against civil rights for blacks.

Wow Curt! Talk about racial profiling. Nice that you don't allow one's action to dictate their belief but more of a guilt by association.
Good Grief Charlie Brown,
Shawn

[timd]

Rob C wrote:
In your own words.

shawn_oneil wrote:
"It appears you can not disagree with this administration without being considered a racist."

Crap.

Rob, that's as silly as saying

"It appears you could not disagree with the prior administration without being considered a terrorist."

Oh, wait...

[curt]

If you meet a Republican politician with a southern accent, it's a safe bet that he or his daddy was a Southern Democrat who was against civil rights for blacks.

Wow Curt! Talk about racial profiling. Nice that you don't allow one's action to dictate their belief but more of a guilt by association.
Good Grief Charlie Brown,
Shawn

Well of course it is a broad sweeping generalization, so it could be unfair to particular individuals.

Also, 45 years or so after the passage of the civil rights and voting rights acts, not all southern politicians are sons of southern politicians of the 1950s and 1960s.

But it is historical fact that the conversion of southern Democrats to being Republicans was based on race, in the sense of race being the straw that broke the camel's back. There were other ideological differences between southern and northern Democrats, but it was the 1964 civil rights act and the 1965 voting rights act that sparked them into abandoning the Democratic party and becoming Republicans. Before that time, the national parties were not ideological, although they had left and right branches.

The Nixon southern strategy eventually led to traditional Republicans (like me and my family) having no party any more.

Here's another sweeping generalization for you: The conservatives of the 1950s and 1960s were on the wrong side of civil rights. Including but not limited to William F. Buckley, Jr., and Barry Goldwater.