Health Insurance Reform 0f 2009

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Re: Health Insurance Reform 0f 2009

Postby shawn_oneil » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:21 pm

Here are some issues that I see relative to cost, deficits, inflation, US currency and the impact on the US financial system.
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Reuters wrote:World Bank's Zoellick says wary of more Fed power


World Bank Group President Robert B. Zoellick attends a news conference in Beijing Reuters – World Bank Group President Robert B. Zoellick attends a news conference in Beijing September 2, 2009. …

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The head of the World Bank on Monday sounded a cautionary note about granting greater regulatory power to the U.S. Federal Reserve and said the dollar's future will "depend heavily on U.S. choices."

"It should not be a surprise that American democracy is hesitating about authorizing the Fed to supervise systemic banking as well as operating monetary policy, adding to its power," World Bank President Robert Zoellick said.

In a speech prepared for delivery at Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies, Zoellick said the U.S. Congress had a long tradition of viewing banks with suspicion that made it a challenge to beef up the U.S. central bank's power after last year's financial panic.

Aiming to prevent a repeat of the crisis that pushed the world financial system to the brink of collapse, President Barack Obama has proposed sweeping changes to U.S. regulation that would make the Fed the lead systemic risk regulator.

"It will be difficult to vest the independent and powerful technocrats at the Federal Reserve with more authority. My reading of recent crisis management is that the Treasury Department needed greater authority to pull together a bevy of different regulators," Zoellick said.

Zoellick, speaking ahead of the annual World Bank and International Monetary Fund meetings that open in Istanbul on Sunday, commended central banks for forceful action once the crisis hit.

But he said they face "reasonable questions" for failing to prevent asset bubbles -- notably in the U.S. housing market -- and for serious lapses in financial supervision.

"We have yet to see whether central banks can handle the recovery without letting inflation get out of control," he said.

This will be crucial in determining whether the U.S. dollar could retain its lead role as a global reserve currency, he added.

"Of course, the U.S. dollar is and will remain a major currency. But the greenback's fortunes will depend heavily on U.S. choices. Will the United States resolve its debt problems without a resort to inflation?," Zoellick asked.

He also cautioned U.S. authorities not to take dollar dominance for granted, and noted that the euro common currency, as well as the yuan of an increasingly powerful China, gave investors more choices to diversify their holdings.

"The United States would be mistaken to take for granted the dollar's place as the world's predominant reserve currency. Looking forward, there will increasingly be other options to the dollar," he said.
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Re: Health Insurance Reform 0f 2009

Postby curt » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:34 pm

I don't understand why you posted this in the health insurance thread.
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Re: Health Insurance Reform 0f 2009

Postby shawn_oneil » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:46 pm

curt wrote:I don't understand why you posted this in the health insurance thread.


I posted this because it illustrates that we are at a tipping point of having the US Dollar fall in a multitude of ways. The cost of Obamacare is $990 Billion over 10 years is a pipe dream in my opinion. We will have larger deficits which will only compound these issues and further weaken the dollar.
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Re: Health Insurance Reform 0f 2009

Postby curt » Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:07 pm

There are lots of items that could drive up deficits. And the dollar's status as the world's reserve currency is a different discussion from health care with completely different issues. China is not going to take our role until they implement the rule of law, which could happen. And the euro is a facade over a dozen or so poorly-coordinated economic policies.
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Re: Health Insurance Reform 0f 2009

Postby curt » Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:19 am

shawn_oneil wrote:
curt wrote:Are you saying that if an illegal alien is brought to an emergency room with a life-threatening injury, he should not be treated unless somebody comes up with a large amount of cash?


No that is not what I said. I would support that they are taken care of at that moment in time and then sent back home to their native country.


So you agree that illegal aliens should continue to receive emergency care. As they do now.
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Re: Health Insurance Reform 0f 2009

Postby curt » Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:28 am

SBinRockrimmon wrote:“No Insurance, Go To Jail! Love, Obama.”


http://michaelgraham.com/archives/ldquo ... ama-rdquo/

Sen. Ensign of Nevada gets it in writing: If you decline to purchase health insurance under the ObamaCare plan, and you refuse to pay your $1,900 fine for doing so, you can be thrown in jail.


We won't have health care reform if we don't have participation from close 10 100% of the population. Germany's system is based on private insurance, and purchase of a policy is mandatory. If you don't want people to have to buy insurance you could do things the Canadian way, where there is no basic health insurance and the government covers everyone with various tax revenues. But that would be more change than most people would accept.
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Re: Health Insurance Reform 0f 2009

Postby curt » Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:44 am

shawn_oneil wrote:I recall an Obama's speech in which he compared the medical insurance requirement similar to auto insurance. Auto insurance differs because you don't need auto insurance in NH, and that you don't need insurance if you don't drive a car in states that require it.
I think that there is some Constitutional issues with this requirement.

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I'm sure that Obama was not aware that NH does not generally require car insurance. I believe it is mandatory in most states. I wrote "generally" because even in NH it is required in some circumstances, such as if you are at fault in an accident and can't pay the judgment.

The analogy about not driving a car does not apply because we all have bodies and use health care over our life times.

I know that a dozen states are considering outlawing mandatory health insurance. It's just an obstructionist tactic and there is little or no reason to believe that these would stand up in court against a federal law.
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Re: Health Insurance Reform 0f 2009

Postby shawn_oneil » Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:29 am

curt wrote:So you agree that illegal aliens should continue to receive emergency care. As they do now.


No. Only life threatening issues should be accepted and then they should be deported as part of the discharge procedure.
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Re: Health Insurance Reform 0f 2009

Postby shawn_oneil » Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:33 am

curt wrote:I'm sure that Obama was not aware that NH does not generally require car insurance. I believe it is mandatory in most states. I wrote "generally" because even in NH it is required in some circumstances, such as if you are at fault in an accident and can't pay the judgment.

The analogy about not driving a car does not apply because we all have bodies and use health care over our life times.

I know that a dozen states are considering outlawing mandatory health insurance. It's just an obstructionist tactic and there is little or no reason to believe that these would stand up in court against a federal law.


Yes there are exception in NH that require you to obtain insurance, but that is only a requirement if you make the decision to drive a vehicle.
I still do not believe that the Feds can make you purchase something or jail you if you don't.
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Re: Health Insurance Reform 0f 2009

Postby shawn_oneil » Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:36 am

curt wrote:There are lots of items that could drive up deficits. And the dollar's status as the world's reserve currency is a different discussion from health care with completely different issues. China is not going to take our role until they implement the rule of law, which could happen. And the euro is a facade over a dozen or so poorly-coordinated economic policies.


Curt,
You are still missing the point. Its about the cost! I believe there will be deficit spending, and will hurt us as a nation relative to the dollar's status for the reasons I outlined. Please discuss the cost of Obamacare?
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Re: Health Insurance Reform 0f 2009

Postby curt » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:54 pm

There is deficit spending now, and there will be with or without health care reform. The government picks up a lot of costs now for uninsured people and that is going to go up if the status quo continues.

You did not "outline" any "reasons" for anything. You simply quoted an article that made the point that we need to keep an eye on inflation as we emerge from the current situation. It didn't say that we wouldn't. It's the same that I have heard or read elsewhere, that it will be tricky to turn off the stimulus taps at the right time. The discussion was not about health care costs.

When and if you actually say something of substance about the cost of the health care proposals, I might respond.
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Re: Health Insurance Reform 0f 2009

Postby shawn_oneil » Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:01 pm

curt wrote:When and if you actually say something of substance about the cost of the health care proposals, I might respond.


shawn_oneil wrote:The cost of Obamacare is $990 Billion over 10 years is a pipe dream in my opinion. We will have larger deficits which will only compound these issues and further weaken the dollar.
Shawn


Would you care to modify your statement? :)

National Review wrote:At its inception in 1966, Medicare cost $3 billion a year. At that time, the Ways and Means Committee of the U.S. House of Representatives projected “conservatively” that the program would cost approximately $12 billion a year by 1990. In 1990, the cost of Medicare was actually $107 billion — nine times greater than the Ways and Means estimate.

Here is our track record.
If you use the same logic that is a lot of 0's for Obamacare.

Shawn

ps. Rob noticed that your not commenting on these issues I have raised.
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Re: Health Insurance Reform 0f 2009

Postby shawn_oneil » Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:11 pm

curt wrote:You did not "outline" any "reasons" for anything. You simply quoted an article that made the point that we need to keep an eye on inflation as we emerge from the current situation. It didn't say that we wouldn't. It's the same that I have heard or read elsewhere, that it will be tricky to turn off the stimulus taps at the right time. The discussion was not about health care costs.


Curt,
They are all interrelated.
Do you think a deficit for Obamacare of $X dollars differs from the same amount of $X for stimulus money? At the end of the day you are still taking on additional debt of $X. It is about the US credit, currency, and US choice.
Shawn

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Something to ponder:
If we are able to get this great buying power by adding everyone in the US just think of the bargain that we can obtain if the entire globe is considered.
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Re: Health Insurance Reform 0f 2009

Postby curt » Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:58 am

They aren't that related. The article you posted was about when to turn off the tap for optional stimulus projects like the Sandown Road Bridge.

Regarding health care, we will pay for it one way or another. It's not optional.
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Re: Health Insurance Reform 0f 2009

Postby shawn_oneil » Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:37 am

curt wrote:They aren't that related. The article you posted was about when to turn off the tap for optional stimulus projects like the Sandown Road Bridge.

Regarding health care, we will pay for it one way or another. It's not optional.


Your are avoiding the topic of the actual dollar cost of this program. It is optional (the program). Do you think this type of cost is sound?
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