Crime

Issues in the 2008 Presidential Campaign and where the candidates stand on them

Crime

Postby Rob C » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:17 am

The Hill.com wrote:...The Obama campaign rejected the notion that the senator might be vulnerable to accusations that he is soft on crime, issuing a statement defending the senator’s record on such issues.

“Obama is a strong proponent of tougher measures to fight crime and provide more resources to local law enforcement officers,” the statement read. “His record shows a long and consistent commitment to protecting the communities of Illinois and ensuring the safety of the families he represents.”

Ted Street, president of the Illinois Fraternal Order of Police — a group that endorsed Obama in 2004 — said the senator was immensely helpful in working with police organizations when it came to death-penalty reform.

Laimutis Nargelenas, a lobbyist for the Illinois Association of Chiefs of Police, said that while Obama did at times vote on the side of “individual rights … [rather] than the ability of law enforcement to get things done,” he was always an independent vote who was very thoughtful on law-and-order issues.

Nargelenas said particularly with legislation allowing undercover officers to record suspects and profile based on race, Obama was considerate of the needs of law enforcement and always looking for ways to balance the needs of police with the “rights of the individual citizen.”

Since Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate, he has been helpful in restoring proposed funding cuts for various police programs, Nargelenas aid.

“When he said he was going to do something, you could always trust him on his word,” Nargelenas said.


RealClearPolitics.com wrote:The National Association of Police Organizations endorsed Barack Obama today. On a conference call with reporters, NAPO president Tom Nee pledged the support of more than 287,000 police officers and 2,000 police organizations from around the country.
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Postby Rob C » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:22 am

shawn_oneil wrote:These criminals can be rehabilitated is often the claim of one party. Who fights for the right of the criminal vs that of the victims. Your homework assignment is to fill in the political party (ps no peeking at Thundergirls post)

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Seems to me the National Association of Police Organizations, the Illinois Fraternal Order of Police and the Illinois Association of Chiefs of Police (see post above) believe it is the Republicans, unless, of course, these organizations fight for the right of the criminal vs that of the victims. :shock:
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Postby shawn_oneil » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:40 am

Do you think that is the only issue they are considering when choosing to endorse a candidate? Maybe a financial benefit for the PD Union was more of a motivator to support him. You reading way too much into the endorsement.
60-70% of crime is committed by repeat offenders. Trial lawyers love the repeat business.
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Postby Rob C » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:04 am

shawn_oneil wrote:Do you think that is the only issue they are considering when choosing to endorse a candidate? Maybe a financial benefit for the PD Union was more of a motivator to support him. You reading way too much into the endorsement.
60-70% of crime is committed by repeat offenders. Trial lawyers love the repeat business.
Build more prisons.
Truth in Sentencing Law.
Shawn

So you think police officers would put innocent children, themselves and their brethren at risk on the street for financial benefit and to pad the pockets of the trial lawyers?

Of course I don't think the "rights of the criminals vs the rights of the victims" is the only issue but if Obama was as soft on crime as you portrayed do you think they would support him?

shawn_oneil wrote:Look at the laws for people convicted of sexual offenses against children. These criminals can be rehabilitated is often the claim of one party. Who fights for the right of the criminal vs that of the victims. Your homework assignment is to fill in the political party (ps no peeking at Thundergirls post)

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Postby shawn_oneil » Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:44 am

Rob C wrote:So you think police officers would put innocent children, themselves and their brethren at risk on the street for financial benefit and to pad the pockets of the trial lawyers?

Of course I don't think the "rights of the criminals vs the rights of the victims" is the only issue but if Obama was as soft on crime as you portrayed do you think they would support him?


It is part of the equation. Look at PD in Mass communities that created issues with disrupting flag persons at details. What was that a protest for safety? Not! It was because they, the PD, were loosing details which equated to dollars. Never underestimate the influential powers of Mr. Franklin, Mr. Grant, and Mr. Jackson in their beliefs. Look at Diane Wilkerson, Senator in Mass., as an example hot off the press.
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Postby Rob C » Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:31 am

shawn_oneil wrote:It is part of the equation. Look at PD in Mass communities that created issues with disrupting flag persons at details. What was that a protest for safety? Not! It was because they, the PD, were loosing details which equated to dollars. Never underestimate the influential powers of Mr. Franklin, Mr. Grant, and Mr. Jackson in their beliefs. Look at Diane Wilkerson, Senator in Mass., as an example hot off the press.
Shawn

So you still believe Democrats believe more in the rights of the criminal than the rights of the victim (I'd love to see something supporting this claim).

You also believe police all over the US (over 250,000) and Chiefs of Police in IL knowingly support Obama, a member of the party that you believe fights more for criminals than victims, because they are bought and paid for by the Democrats. I'm not buying it.
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Postby shawn_oneil » Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:47 pm

Rob C wrote:So you still believe Democrats believe more in the rights of the criminal than the rights of the victim (I'd love to see something supporting this claim).


Boston Herald wrote:[url=http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/news/lone_republican/index.php/2007/10/26/laguer-haunts-deval-and-possibly-the-commonwealth/] Link Here
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LaGuer haunts Deval and possibly the Commonwealth

While every one is enjoying another Red Sox victory, Governor Patrick is being haunted by convicted rapist Ben LaGuer again.

Will our Governor, who wants to weaken our CORI laws, commute Ben LaGuer’s sentence? Remember, Patrick is a big time supporter of LaGuer. He supported his parole bids and donated $5000 to his cause.

Our only hope is that the public relations nightmare will stop the Governor from letting this rapist out of jail. If he tries to commute the sentence, it will happen late on a Friday afternoon because Saturday is not a big news day or he will try during the holidays when no one is paying attention. Watch out!

With Governor Patrick working to weaken the CORI laws, do you think we are headed back to the days of Dukakis?



Here is a prime example
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Postby Rob C » Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:18 pm

I don't know this situation very well (or at all) but what I did find is this:

BenLaguer.com wrote:DNA testing did not clear U.S. Army veteran Ben LaGuer of a 1983 interracial rape, as it should have, because Worcester County prosecutors provided the wrong samples to the State Police Crime Lab. Naturally, the analysis could not lead to a correct result. The Boston Herald has reported that “forensic reports linking him to the crime are invalid because authorities matched his DNA to samples taken from his apartment – not from the original rape kit. Several DNA experts hired by LaGuer’s team have bolstered his claim.”

I'm not sure how this proves your point...
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