Article 2011-20 Citizen Petition: Volunteer Committee

Article 2011-20 Citizen Petition: Volunteer Committee to Oversee Fire Hall

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Article 2011-20 Citizen Petition: Volunteer Committee

Postby TomBillbroughJr » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:44 pm

"If the warrant article proposing the purchase of the Danville Fire Association hall land and building passes, shall the Town vote to create a voluneteer committee of five (5), appointed by the governing body, to manage and oversee the activities including, but not limited too, the Operating Budget of this town property?"
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Re: Citizen's Petition: Volunteer Committee to Oversee Fire

Postby TomBillbroughJr » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:59 pm

Here is the verbiage for my Citizen's Petition to create a volunteer board to oversee the Fire Association Hall if the warrant article regarding the land and building passes. I submitted this before the Board of Selectmen on Monday the 10th, 2010. I am still waiting to hear from the Town Clerk to know of the legitimacy of the signatures.
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Re: Citizen's Petition: Volunteer Committee to Oversee Fire

Postby curt » Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:03 pm

Suggestions for changes (at deliberative session) and questions:

-- Allow at most only one sitting selectman. Otherwise the 5 selectmen could just appoint themselves to be the entire committee.
-- Members must be residents of Danville, US citizens, at least 18 years of age.
-- Grounds and process for removal in case of bad behavior?
-- Specify staggered 3-year terms. Initial appointments to be 2 for 3 years, 2 for 2 years, 1 for 1 year, all appointments to be for 3 years after original terms expire. If person is no longer eligible to be on the committee or is removed, a replacement will be appointed to serve until the end of the original term, then a new appointment (or re-appointment) will be made.
-- The committee is not under the supervision of the selectmen.
-- Change "governing body" to "selectmen". In most state laws, "governing body" is a construct that is defined somewhere to mean "selectmen," "city council," or "town council" as applicable. If the law only applies to a traditional town government, they usually just say "selectmen."
-- Change "to manage and oversee the activities including, but not limited too, the Operating Budget of this town property" to "to manage the acquired property and regulate its use, as provided by RSA 41:11-a."

Tom, when you mention the "Operating Budget" do you mean like the way the library trustees manage their appropriations independent of the selectmen and the treasurer? That's a special deal for libraries only under various parts of Chapter 202-A (Public Libraries). Still, you might want to talk with Betsy Sanders (town treasurer) about setting up some sort of dedicated fund and putting that in the warrant article.
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Re: Citizen's Petition: Volunteer Committee to Oversee Fire

Postby TomBillbroughJr » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:05 pm

curt wrote:Tom, when you mention the "Operating Budget" do you mean like the way the library trustees manage their appropriations independent of the selectmen and the treasurer? That's a special deal for libraries only under various parts of Chapter 202-A (Public Libraries). Still, you might want to talk with Betsy Sanders (town treasurer) about setting up some sort of dedicated fund and putting that in the warrant article.

Thanks for the notes! I did not mean for the would-be board to manage their appropriations independent of the Selectmen/Treasure, but I will talk to Betsy Sanders about the dedicated fund.
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Re: Article 2011-20 Citizen Petition: Volunteer Committee

Postby curt » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:49 am

I moved the existing discussion from "Danville General," replacing the stub topic that had no comments.

(later) -- sorry it did not occur to me to look at the poll on the stub topic before I deleted it. Please re-vote.
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Re: Article 2011-20 Citizen Petition: Volunteer Committee

Postby shawn_oneil » Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:24 pm

Tom Jr.,
I do find it interesting that you as the lead petitioner of this citizen petition warrant article believe it requires 5 members to run/operate a building, and in the same breath believe through a different citizen petition WA, that you are also the lead petition, to reduce the Board of Selectmen from 5 members to 3 who have incredibly larger duties and responsibilities.
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Re: Article 2011-20 Citizen Petition: Volunteer Committee

Postby Copper » Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:09 pm

shawn_oneil wrote:Tom Jr.,
I do find it interesting that you as the lead petitioner of this citizen petition warrant article believe it requires 5 members to run/operate a building, and in the same breath believe through a different citizen petition WA, that you are also the lead petition, to reduce the Board of Selectmen from 5 members to 3 who have incredibly larger duties and responsibilities.
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You know Shawn, this was my question exactly. I did not think it an appropriate time to bring it up today as I wanted to get out of there as much as everyone else... but a good point. Thanks.
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Re: Article 2011-20 Citizen Petition: Volunteer Committee

Postby TomBillbroughJr » Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:57 am

You both must have missed it when Russ asked this same question at Town meeting yesterday.
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Re: Article 2011-20 Citizen Petition: Volunteer Committee

Postby SBinRockrimmon » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:17 am

TomBillbroughJr wrote:You both must have missed it when Russ asked this same question at Town meeting yesterday.


How about you share the answer with those of us the weren't at the town meeting. Is this a public forum or a guessing game?
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Re: Article 2011-20 Citizen Petition: Volunteer Committee

Postby Sheila » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:40 am

shawn_oneil wrote:Tom Jr.,
I do find it interesting that you as the lead petitioner of this citizen petition warrant article believe it requires 5 members to run/operate a building, and in the same breath believe through a different citizen petition WA, that you are also the lead petition, to reduce the Board of Selectmen from 5 members to 3 who have incredibly larger duties and responsibilities.
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|Mr. Oneil, most boards in town are run with more than 3 in case you didnt notice.

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Re: Article 2011-20 Citizen Petition: Volunteer Committee

Postby russh » Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:24 am

Here let me ask.

Why do we need a 5 member board to oversee a bilding that is used maybe 20 times a year, and has an operating budget of under 6K per year, ( according to the numbers read at the DS yesterday ), but its okay to have a 3 member board to oversee the entire town with an operating budget of over 2.5 million?
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Re: Article 2011-20 Citizen Petition: Volunteer Committee

Postby Sheila » Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:47 am

russh wrote:Here let me ask.

Why do we need a 5 member board to oversee a bilding that is used maybe 20 times a year, and has an operating budget of under 6K per year, ( according to the numbers read at the DS yesterday ), but its okay to have a 3 member board to oversee the entire town with an operating budget of over 2.5 million?


All town boards have a budget I don't beleive the intent was "operating budget" in that respect. And I beleive it was claified in the town meeting yesterday.
Many towns in NH have 3 member board, some have town managers, Danville ran fine with 3 before it was 5. I would like to see it back to 3 and with the money saved from the two the town needs a code inforcement officer. There are alot of people not paying their far share of taxes out there. Every dollar saved adds up, every dollar that should be paid in taxes adds up......

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Re: Article 2011-20 Citizen Petition: Volunteer Committee

Postby shawn_oneil » Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:55 am

Sheila wrote:All town boards have a budget I don't beleive the intent was "operating budget" in that respect. And I beleive it was claified in the town meeting yesterday.
Many towns in NH have 3 member board, some have town managers, Danville ran fine with 3 before it was 5. I would like to see it back to 3 and with the money saved from the two the town needs a code inforcement officer. There are alot of people not paying their far share of taxes out there. Every dollar saved adds up, every dollar that should be paid in taxes adds up......

Sheila


Shelia,
Your hero, Mike Asselin (Mayor), did a poor job as Selectmen. The voters realized this and corrected the problem. What you added to the ACO budget yesterday was about 60% of a Selectmen salary. I think you forgot your quote "Every dollar saved adds up" during your sales pitch.
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Re: Article 2011-20 Citizen Petition: Volunteer Committee

Postby Sheila » Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:06 am

shawn_oneil wrote:[quote="Sheila"
All town boards have a budget I don't beleive the intent was "operating budget" in that respect. And I beleive it was claified in the town meeting yesterday.
Many towns in NH have 3 member board, some have town managers, Danville ran fine with 3 before it was 5. I would like to see it back to 3 and with the money saved from the two the town needs a code inforcement officer. There are alot of people not paying their far share of taxes out there. Every dollar saved adds up, every dollar that should be paid in taxes adds up......

Sheila


Shelia,
Your hero, Mike Asselin (Mayor), did a poor job as Selectmen. The voters realized this and corrected the problem. What you added to the ACO budget yesterday was about 60% of a Selectmen salary. I think you forgot your quote "Every dollar saved adds up" during your sales pitch.
Shawn[/quote]

Again, Mr. Oneil, thats your rogue opinion. In your eyes no one does any good for this town.
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Re: Article 2011-20 Citizen Petition: Volunteer Committee

Postby TomBillbroughJr » Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:22 am

SBinRockrimmon wrote:How about you share the answer with those of us the weren't at the town meeting. Is this a public forum or a guessing game?


Sbin, it is a bit early in the day for such an impolite query. How about you learn to address people nicely, or at the very least, attempt to practice civility when you address others. A part of me wishes to keep this a "guessing game" for you, at least until you learn to behave, that is. However, the sun is shinning and it is a beautiful morning in Danville, so I will ignore your rudeness and answer your question.

It is true. I do wish to decrease the size of the paid Board of Selectmen, as I do not think the Town should be paying five people to do the job that three people can do. It is also becoming increasingly evident to me that the Town could greatly benefit from having a new Board of Selectmen, as per the RSA regarding the rescinding vote. I also wish to create a five member, volunteer board to oversee the activities of the Fire Association Hall, as I am not confident in the current BOS's ability, given the lack of foresight regarding the purchase, to effectively oversee the property. Creating a volunteer board to over see the Fire Association Hall would also eliminate some of the "heavy workload" of a selectman.

As I had proposed in one of my amendments to this citizen's petition, it was my wish to have a member of the Fire Association be on the committee to over see the FAH, as they would know the building best, and make the transition from FA to Town, a bit smoother. However, my amendments regarding membership for this committee were not adopted by the popular vote, most likely just out of spite towards me, so it is neither here nor there.
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